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Government Sponsored Discrimination

The Salvation Army case is the boldest initiative in the Justice Department's recent emphasis on religious rights. And the stakes go well beyond the old-line Christian charitable organization.

The department's position in the case — that religious groups should be able to hire or fire people based on their religious views, even when administering publicly funded programs — is a cornerstone of President Bush's faith-based initiative. The initiative is channeling hundreds of millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to churches and other religious groups to deliver social services.

Why does the Bush Administration constantly violate the constitution? Is it because they simply hate the Bill of Rights? Or are they just so goddamn stupid that they don't see the obvious legal problems with their policies?

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March 7, 2005 at 10:38 AM  
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"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." -- Benjamin Franklin, _2000_Years_of_Disbelief_ by James A. Haught

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March 7, 2005 at 10:39 AM  
Blogger Mort said...

What is wrong with giving churches money so that they can help people? There is nothing unconstituional here. It is the same thing as the government helping the red cross and salvation army.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

It is not as though Bush is saying everyone should be a certain religion. That would be unconsitutional. This clause is in the first amendment because one of the biggest reasons we left England was because the King forced his people to be in the Anglican Church. Basically the government cannot decide that catholicism or luthernism will be the "national religion." And notice that the words "separation of church and state" do not appear in this amendment at all.

Before you dismiss this submission as the ramblings on the religious ultra right, let me tell you that I am one individual who feels that the republicans need to distance themselves from their religious base. I myself am not overly religious.

Since when is giving money to organizations that help people a bad thing? Who cares if churches are the organizations helping people. The fact that they are churches is irrelevant; the fact that they want to help people is not.

March 7, 2005 at 11:51 AM  
Blogger Snave said...

"Who cares if churches are the organizations helping people."

I care if the money I pay in taxes goes to fundamentalist Christian organizations, or to other religious organizations, because I disagree with their religious philosophies. Besides their having humanitarian goals, I believe one of the basic aims of all religious organizations is to spread their faiths to others. I don't want my money used to help them spread their belief systems.

Having something not even related to government, like the POTUS' faith-based initiatives, being paid for with tax money? No, thanks. And I do write letters to my Senators and Representatives to let them know what I think.

I don't fault anyone who wants to make the world a better place for all. But I would rather see churches stay out of government and the government stay out of churches, thanks... so that includes the churches' use of government monies. The churches raise all kinds of money and they don't have to pay much money at all to the government... so I think that's already enough of a gift to the churches from the feds. Now the administration thinks they need to give the churches MORE money? Hmmmmm... That smells like the promotion of churches to me.

"Since when is giving money to organizations that help people a bad thing?"

It isn't... But why not let the people who want to support churches and their doings attend the churches, write checks, and put those checks in the offering plates? The last I heard, this practice was still called "tithing". I attended church and I tithed for ten years straight, until about five years ago. My experiences taught me that churches don't ever have "enough money", and they always want more!

And even given that, I think churches are perfectly capable of raising their money through tithing and through advertising by mail, and they can leave the rest of us non-church types and our pocketbooks alone. And maybe they should not be holding their hands out to the federal government for more.

"The fact that they are churches is irrelevant; the fact that they want to help people is not."

Given the fact that not all Americans adhere to Christianity or to a particular religion, the fact they are churches IS relevant when it comes to their wanting to use taxpayer money. But you're right Mort, the fact they want to help people IS relevant, and in fact if doing good works (and not trying to spread their beliefs) is the motivation, it can be noble. Let's just let them do it with their money, not mine. There are plenty of non-religious organizations we can donate to if we like.

As for the GOP needing to distance itself from the theocrats, I think it would be helpful to them. I would imagine many Republicans must squirm at the way the POTUS endears himself to and kowtows to the theocrats.

I don't see how the GOP can hold itself together as it is, given the various factions within the party (i.e. the fiscal conservatives who aren't religious and probably don't like the influence of the thoecrats, the theocratic element itself, pro-life Republicans, pro-choice Republicans, moderate Republicans, far-right Republicans, etc.) I think the various elements are disparate enough that it makes for a bad mix.... which doesn't bother me much, as I usually vote against the GOP.

March 7, 2005 at 2:15 PM  
Blogger J. Marquis said...

Amen, Snave. People are really myopic on this subject...for some reason they don't seem to understand this taxpayer money will also be available to religions they disagree with or even hate.

March 7, 2005 at 7:19 PM  
Blogger Gary said...

The answer is simple...

Bush only has one policy, and it's very simple.

Simple indeed.

His guiding political agenda: "Because I said so."

This man has no understanding, clue or care for the Consistution, the Bill of Rights, or anything other than the principle of American Greed as taught to him by his parents.

To expect that there is any hint of forward thinking and discussion of legal implications of policy is to give credit where it is most certianly not due!

March 10, 2005 at 6:06 PM  
Blogger Snave said...

Great post, Gary. It's true, POTUS is certainly a product of his environment.

March 10, 2005 at 7:11 PM  
Blogger Lizzy said...

I couldn't agree more.

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Blogger Theresa Z said...

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March 25, 2005 at 1:16 PM  
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Blogger Snave said...

"Come out, come out, wherever you are..."

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Blogger Theresa Z said...

Either her cumputer took a dive or she's been threatened(?) Come back O' Ms. Liberty, shine. :)

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Blogger Tonto said...

I hope you come back...even the moderates miss ya..without you... we look like liberals...

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Blogger Theresa Z said...

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Blogger halcyon67 said...

To answer your question. I think it is a little bit of both.

I like how Republicans criticize Democrats for being Anti-American. (Remember those right-wing weirdos who kept on saying that after the beginning of the Iraq War?) When in reality, they are really anti-American if you think about it concerning their contempt for the Constitution.

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Blogger Lizzy said...

Oh where, oh where has Ms Liberty gone. Oh where, oh where can she be?

May 6, 2005 at 10:03 PM  
Blogger Snave said...

With her fuse so short and her rants so long, oh where oh where can she be?

Come out, come out, wherever you are!

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Let us know when you return!

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May 18, 2010 at 12:37 AM  
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June 13, 2010 at 8:35 PM  
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June 29, 2010 at 8:55 AM  
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July 3, 2010 at 3:45 AM  
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July 9, 2010 at 8:44 PM  
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July 9, 2010 at 8:45 PM  
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August 2, 2010 at 3:54 AM  
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August 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM  
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